The following article was written in response to a ‘back-and-forth’ between the owner of the ‘sanctuary’ that Lilly was saved from and me on 3-17-12. It was originally posted to Lilly’s FB Page at www.facebook.com/fightlillyfight
During today’s Cesar Milan book signing in Lemoyne, PA, a number of people recognized Lilly there, as we waited across the street. We did get to see Cesar as he was leaving, but more importantly, there were Lilly fans who got to meet her. One said, “I finally get to meet you in person!” Of course, Lilly loved the attention (I think she thought they were there to see HER!) This friend then shared the sentiment that the ‘back and forth’, between the sanctuary owner and various Lilly fans, would give an in-depth look at her meager beginnings and how she came to be in the situation she is in now. She also felt that by not publicly acknowledging it, I may be giving the appearance that I am ‘hiding something’ – which I am certainly not! This individual received over $17,100.00 in fines for not treating his dogs, sanitation violations, various counts of neglect, not vaccinating and subsequently turned 25 over to animal control (he stated on tv that was to ‘stock their new adoption center’!! Of those, five were euthanized. One of those killed, Scooby, was to be pulled by our rescue, but was not faring well in the shelter environment and had heartworm, so he was put down. It was a sad day for our rescue.
Last Saturday, March 10th, it was brought to my attention that the owner of the ‘sanctuary/rescue’ where Lilly was adopted from was on a thread meant to raise funds for her treatment. I immediately went to the thread to find that he was refuting the part of the narrative that stated she was “in a crate for two years”. While I have never been to this Florida sanctuary, I immediately pm’d him, via Facebook, to ask him what he would like me to do. I never received a response. Hours later, I posted a clarification with a picture of the specific thread where he detailed the accommodations that were provided on her behalf – thinking that would end the negativity on her thread……unfortunately, it did not! He continued to hijack the thread and instigate negativity among the participants. He also shared that he thought I was “selfish” for not putting her in a “doggie hospice” and that treating her for her cancer was “cruel”. He shared that he felt Lilly would want to die.
Keith Lee Wandell She actually spent two yrs here being a sight buddy for a dog with no eyes and was very seldom crated…
Kxxxxxx Dxxxxxx Are you speaking of Miss Lilly Keith?
Keith Lee Wandell Yes
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx What a sweetheart and great picture ♥ She wasn’t crated huh Keith? More like kept in a dirty pen in a dirty swamp? Yea, that sounds more like it.
Keith Lee Wandell @jen according to who? You or the credentialed enforcement officers that inapected, investigated, reinvestigated and reinapected and found nothing of the sort??? I suppose I somehow caused her cancer too? GFY JEN!!!
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx Same song and dance, different day huh Keith? Newsflash for you, just because your swimming deep in denial and delusion, doesn’t make it untrue. You caused her cancer? Living in that cesspool, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.
Keith Lee Wandell Again prove what you say or stfu. And yes it’ll always be the same song same dance lol because the truth never changes unlike your many many revisions of your twisted versions of what my practices are/were, but the principal difference is I have official investigative reports to back what I say…what do you have? Like I said….GFY JEN!!
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx Poor Keith, don’t you know the only thing you can control is yourself? STFU, I think not. The condition of the dogs that have come off your property is proof enough. Just because you cannot properly read official documents doesn’t mean they say what you want them to say.
Keith Lee Wandell And exactly how many of the official documents/reports are you in possession of? And with the exception of Caylee show me a dog that was documented to have left here in less than great shape….just one jen and I don’t mean the photoshopped pics that were spread all over fb. Hahahahaha
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx So now the pics were photoshopped huh? Here’s a newsflash, if even ONE dog leaves your swamphole in less than stellar condition that’s a problem. I know, that’s difficult for you to grasp. Got a working toilet yet?
Keith Lee Wandell Big fan of the phrase ” newsflash” huh? Lolol and yea 3 of them why do you ask? A little behind in the rumor pool I see NEWSFLASH those lies were discounted LONG AGO…like a year maybe??? Lmao go catch up and get back to me with current…CURRENT info…er fer der, we’s even got that new faancy runnin water thingee ane reeeaal alektercitay…yee haw!! GFY JEN LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!
Keith Lee Wandell I find you an odd rescuer anyway being you won’t send a dog to GA nor accept one from the south but you’ll push a hefty chipin to get one from Iraq to the U.S. what’s the deal with that? For someone within “implied” regional superiority you would think there were enough dogs here needing rescue………..
Keith Lee Wandell Btw…GFY JEN LMMFAO!!
Hxxxxx Sxxxxxxx Excuse me–but I’ve been networking the crap out of this, please let’s keep it about LILLY–this dog needs help NOW–it isn’t about Keith or Jenn–it is about helping this poor dog get her chemo!!!!! Can you two take it somewhere else? and at least share this post and get this dog some donations????
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxxx I pushed to get a dog from Iraq? In what alternate universe are you living? lol Anyway, Helene you are correct. I’ll stop talking about swamp monster Keith :)
SERIOUSLY??? Do we REALLY want to go there??? “And with the exception of Caylee show me a dog that was documented to have left here in less than great shape..” LILLY IS DYING!!! And I was told the ‘lipomas’ were checked during the spay & benign (which I believed until I couldn’t get any vet records on it). Now, I am working an extra job & begging thru Chip Ins so she can get the treatment she needs…Just because you don’t ‘document’ something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist!! Now take this drama off of her thread…Go fight amongst yourselves elsewhere….
Hxxxxx Sxxxxxx …and also whilst slamming–please think about a small (or big) donation to help this poor girl! She deserves a chance to know what it’s like to be a part of a real family and to finally be loved! (and she is–I know she is so special to Betsy)–PLEASE HELP HER!
Keith Lee Wandell
Absolutely Bonnie, we were aware of the growths as you stated they qwre pointed out at her spay…..so besides the her genetic predisposition to have an “unpre entable” terminal illness, what was her ov erall shape??? Was she starved, did she show signs of neglect or abuse, was she timid or shy, any aggressive tendencies??? It seems as though you are all accusing me of being a cancer causing agent? And to whomever asked, I am here commenting because I was tagged in the post maybe? And if you don’t know someone it would be wise to watch your tongue/keyboard. I am as sorry as anyone about lillys condition but none of this is anyone’s fault…..
First, it’s Betsy, not Bonnie. MCTs aren’t “an unpreentable (sic) terminal illness”. While their presentation may be unpreventable, if they are found and removed promptly, most never return & don’t require any follow-up treatment (94%). It is not until they are allowed to progress to level two, or, in Lilly’s case, level three (undefined cell walls and likely to metastasize to other organs), are they considered terminal.
Nobody is accusing you of being a cancer-causing agent. Nobody knows if MCTs are caused by environment, genetic predisposition, or a combination of both. However, the mass on her neck was clearly an issue for her and was effecting her swallowing. I removed the collar immediately. The wound on her leg was healing over, so I assumed it was a sore, as opposed to a MCT,(esp.when I heard the vet ‘lanced’ it). Our vet caught that. The tumor under her front leg, in her armpit, was marble-sized, and I found it right away. To me, when your dog has a growth, you go to a vet for a diagnosis.
Lilly showed no signs of abuse and she certainly wasn’t starved. I don’t believe that being shy, timid, or aggressive are issues that reflect on the rescue, as I believe some dogs, like some people, are just born that way. While those issues may be minimized through habituation, I wouldn’t fault a rescue for such characteristics. But if she WERE any of those, we would still have welcomed her with opened arms.
But you have to acknowledge how badly reading your claim her condition is ‘great’ stung. Her condition is very serious, having just taken a turn for the worse tonight.
I love her – everyone who meets her does! Of course I wish she were treated for her condition immediately, because it would have increased her time with us! While I personally am past the point of placing blame…I don’t think I can be faulted for my aversion when someone describes her as being in excellent shape…our lives/lifestyle have been impacted, due to her medical needs. But moreover, our hearts ache as we lament what could have been and watch her fight after fight.
Keith Lee Wandell
So it’s a matter of potato/potahto. I just lost my elder Rottie to uterine cancer on the 7th, she was 12, I opted out of treatment choices despite my unconditional love for her so I feel your pain. The fact our vet overlooked a doagnosis was likely due to her age as well, you have a dog between 8 & 11 y/o with a growth or growths one would assume the worst and not subject the dog to a gauntlet of not only traumatic but expensive tests and aggressive treatments that will only prolong life ny a matter of mos, so at that point it should be a matter of quality of life not quantity and the dog will let you know when they’ve had enough. So call it what you will and run with the environmental theories that could very well be true but the short amount of time she was on mine was not the cause of hers and please don’t downplay my comments to a lack of compassion or me being heartless because the dog I just lost never left my side from the day I cut her cord til this past Wed. morning. Again I am sorry Lilly is going through what she is as well as what you are but again it was unpreventable and maybe it’s past the time where Lilly had a say….I’m sure of she could rationalize the situation she wouldn’t want to be causing so much termoil and burdon for you and your family, Lilly is a happy dog and only wants to be happy and bring joy to everyone that meets her so don’t deny her, her own dignity in the name of heroism in your name.
Keith Lee Wandell Chemotherapy on a dog her age and in that stage of cancer is cruel and unnecessary, not to mention selfish on any of our parts. I know it is REALLY ROUGH but please consider doggie hospice, you’ll be able to afford it and you can quit that third job and have more quality time WITH Lilly….what she’d want…
My, my, my….I hardly know where to begin. However, I believe that your ‘potato/potahto’ analogy speaks volumes to your willingness to dismiss the plight of this sweet dog in order to absolve yourself of any responsibility. Frankly, I was inclined to not respond at all. However, your numerous misconceptions and blanket opinions (posing as facts) gives rise to the worry that others will read this thread and believe what you have written.
First of all, please accept my condolences on the loss of your rottie. I, too, lost my GSD at 13 and still miss her everyday!
Secondly, if you have a dog- of any age- with a growth, you should seek medical attention for it, regardless of the dog’s age. More so, if the growth is negatively impacting another bodily function or causing discomfort, as I am sure one over the dog’s throat, that is constantly rubbed by a collar, must have. A vet will do a needle aspirate. It’s a very simple procedure. It is NOT ‘traumatic’, ‘aggressive’ or ‘expensive’. Then you will know what options you have available, i.e. surgery, immunosuppressants, radiation, prayer, or any combination thereof. I do NOT suggest withholding medical treatment!!! Perhaps the most common reason that vets “overlook doagnosis’ (sic) is because they weren’t given the opportunity to actually TREAT the patient.
As a cancer survivor, I find your antiquated belief that treatment of cancer is necessarily filled with angst, trauma and pain, only to result in a decreased quality of life for a limited time – just silly! Chemotherapy, particularly in dogs, has come a long way in a short time. Until last night, Lilly was symptom-free. As soon as she began showing signs of discomfort, supportive care was given & her diet changed…symptoms resolved!!!
Finally, I could go on, at great length, on the fact that YOU are intimating that because I am treating her disease, I am being cruel. But I am certain that such a dissertation is unnecessary – your self-serving innuendo is duly noted. Lilly is my responsibility and a member of my family. No sacrifice is too great to ensure her well-being. Lilly IS a happy dog and brings joy to all who meet her. She LOVES interacting with people and should be granted every opportunity to do so, even if it means the personal sacrifice of the rest of us. That’s what “FAMILY” means here…We rise, we fall; we sink, we swim; we meet our fates – TOGETHER!!!
She CHANGES LIVES, BRINGS HAPPINESS and REPRESENTS ALL OF THE WONDERFUL QUALITIES A SOUL CAN POSSESS…we are blessed to have the opportunity to experience her energy and share our lives with her. Lilly is a being that I consider a special gift, to remind us that not everything is fouled by worldly diversions.
Please don’t assume to know what Lilly’s ‘rationalizations’ are….it’s simply offensive, considering the source.
Keith Lee Wandell
Duely noted and I never meant to discount her sentimental value as a family member and I never dismissed proper diagnosis our vet called the lump on her hip a fatty cyst. While I share in your sentiment for her I ha e to seriously question your response to her having the ability to rationalize, that was meant as a “what if” scenario as dogs are obviously more rational by instinct not by morals, biblical, emotional or remotely anything human. Sorry if my honesty is offensive…I simply came on to correct a misleading quote as to Lilly’s history that we know and was abruptly attacked, called trash, a liar by people that never offered to step up at the beginning of her plight 2 yrs ago at the Gastonia shelter, where I had even turned her away until some persistant ladies raised money for me to accomodate her. But by all means bash away and insniate til the cows come home Irdc…again good luck and prayers…
Jxxx Axxxxxxxx Hope to hell that Keith Lee Wandell stays off this thread. This about Lilly and nothing else. We all love this girl very much and her Momma too. Please, lets just keep sharing her and her Chip In so she can have the treatment she needs to be able to have a good life. I love Lilly girl ♥
Keith Lee Wandell
Will do….wouldn’t want to step on the toes of her real saviors…..can someone scream…”Reality check!” NONE OF YOU GAVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS DOG ((TWO YEARS AGO)) now all of a sudden she’s your personal celebrity and propaganda marketing tool? Perhaps of YOU would have stepped up for her in the final hours before she was to be gassed to death ((TWO YEARS AGO)) her illness would have been caught sooner??? Idts! Do any of you stand outside operating rooms, wait for the surgeon to walk out, pat him on the back and tell him you were glad YOU could help in his patient’s survival??? The save all of save alls huh?
Keith Lee Wandell And that wasn’t directed at you Betsy, you’re doing all you can. You stepped up when they STILL wouldn’t for her. It is directed at all the so called well wishers that only have mindless chatter to contribute…why not treat this like a swear jar and for every insult or speculation you want to sling, donate $1 instead….keep your thoughts to yourselves and share generosity instead….
Kxxxxxx Dxxxxxx If this were a “swear ” jar ..heck nah, we’d have lil ole Lilly chemo paid off from your vile mouth alone KLW…
Rxxxx Sxxx Lxxx Please can we keep this thread on lilly and her recovery!!! Please !!!
Apparently, not ‘duely (sic) noted’ enough! Please note the use of ‘apologetic quotations’ in my responses. Apologetic quotations are often used to denote irony in selected text. That was not meant as a prompt for you to shower us with your ‘vast knowledge’ (see the quotations?) of the inner psyches of dogs. Rationalization (by which I assume you mean the process of constructing a logical justification for a decision that was originally arrived at through a different mental process) is not available to dogs, instinctively, or otherwise. How disappointing to learn that I spent all those years in school and sat for my ABA Boards, when I could have simply hung out here on FB with you!
I have kept my mouth shut about all of this, because I was so glad to have Lilly in our lives, and truly believe in the power of positive energy. But your wanton diatribe and malediction of those who truly care for her well-being, needs to stop. This thread is to help Lilly get her chemo treatment, not to serve as a laundry list of your personal defense mechanisms or an outlet for your hypomanic episode. Claiming that she was properly diagnosed and the vets first “pointed it out” during her spay is surely an understatement. I can hear them now,”OMG! Look at that lump on her throat! Does that dog have two heads?” How could you have missed that? She was constantly swallowing from the pressure on her neck. Granted, I understand why the vet lanced the tumor on her leg (which caused scarring that forced it to grow inward). He no doubt thought it was an abscess, since its placement was the same as the pressure sores on the other dogs. lipomas aren’t diagnosed by lancing.
To push the envelope further, you then stated that I was cruel and selfish for actually treating her – ON A THREAD FOR THAT VERY PURPOSE!!! Your suggestion that she be placed in a “doggie hospice”, while not surprising (considering the source) is unconscionable…she’s spent too much time already languishing without anyone paying attention to her…now she’s going to live!! She’s going to go to the largest pet store in the world and hang with old guys in wheelchairs and go to parks and hang in the Waggin’ Tales Reading Group at the library and ENJOY!!! Everyone is going to share her energy. She’s the girl who will shatter myths and break hearts.
You came on this thread to “correct a misleading quote”…with an equally misleading one! By stating that she was the “sight buddy for a dog with no eyes”. Anyone who didn’t know better may have thought that you actually worked with her to teach her something! As soon as I was made aware of your comment, I pm’d you and asked what you would like me to do…and waited. I have yet to get a response. While I doubt that anyone actually questioned it but you, I immediately posted a clarification using what evidence I could find. Nobody attacked, bashed, lied, or insinuated anything. I think I treated you VERY fairly. YOU are the person on LILLY’S thread, telling her supporters to GFY & STFU…NOBODY disrespected YOU!! And when you were asked to tone it down and redirected…your response was to BLAME THEM!!! FOR WHAT? Not saving her when she was in a pound? How can you blame someone for not acting on what they didn’t know? What sort of logic is that? Then go post that rescuers are ‘whores’ on your wall is beyond audacity!
And btw…we love the well-wishers!!! Their POSITIVE ENERGY is uplifting and keeps us going when things are looking rough!!! To all of those following Lilly’s story, I apologize for not speaking out sooner on your behalf. As you know, it’s a very busy time and not everyone can be on FB 24/7. I try my best to keep up! From now on…only positive comments PERTAINING TO LILLY need be posted!
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Great use of dictionary.com but your terminology might suggest a deflection or rebuttle of sorts but I didn’t come on here to win a spelling bee or blurt out degrees or acedemic accomplishments. Perhaps you need to converse with someone that actually knows how Lilly was kept while here and who her kennel mate was…may e from the person that arranged for her to come to you and actually now owns that dog with no eyes that Lilly was a tremendous help with (as per ‘actually working with her’) not so much as using her to work with other dogs…you don’t know me Betsy, nothing about me other than what you’ve read in fb-land and that’s obvious considering the preconceived overtones of your comments…like, “considering the source” etc. Have great luck in your mission to raise enough funds to rescue 12 more dogs so that you may prolong the life of one by maybe 6 mos if that…*shrug*
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxxx Yes Keith, we all know you would cast her to the side and not spend a dime. It’s what you already do with the dogs in your care. Same song and dance with you. Blah blah blah. If you cannot simply show support on this thread might I suggest you go away and actually take care of dogs? Yes I know, foreign concept for you.
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JEN, GFY…STFU…GTH…IRDGAF…AND BTW….GFY!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA…IN SPANISH, BAJAJAJAJAJAJA…..THERES A DOG SOMEWHERE I. IRAQ JUST SCREAMIN FOR A MULTI-THOUSAND DOLLAR CHIPIN WHILE YOU OVERLOOK DOZENS IN SC, NC, GA, & AL…..GFY!!!
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx Does anyone know what dog in Iraq he’s blathering on about? Now I’m curious.
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Better yet, I know….I have a half dozen dogs in need of transfer from my care…you willin? Oh, that’s right you don’t actually have an onsite rescue huh? You rely on fosters to foot the expense while you collect sponsorships, chipins and donations…you don’t even pay for s/n huh, it’s done under an actual 501c3 org huh???
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And btw Betsy, since when is it ethical to collect donations for your personal dog u der your rescue’s name??? Remember? After meeting Lilly you couldn’t resist adopting her for yourself…??? Just sayin…if I did that I’d be called the biggest fraud in Fl. No wait a minute….they’re already saying that…ain’t they (sic)???
Impawsable Dogrescue MR WANDELL…I BELIEVE THAT’S $7.00 FOR THE SWEAR JAR!!! DO YOU NEED THE ADDRESS??
Keith Lee Wandell JEN, GFY…STFU…GTH…IRDGAF…AND BTW….GFY!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA…IN SPANISH, BAJAJAJAJAJAJA…..THERES A DOG SOMEWHERE I. IRAQ JUST SCREAMIN FOR A MULTI-THOUSAND DOLLAR CHIPIN WHILE YOU OVERLOOK DOZENS IN SC, NC, GA, & AL…..GFY!!!
Alrighty, Keith…You are such a prolific poster, able to cover vast expanses with one fell swoop, I will try to address some of your ‘concerns’ (there are those quotes, again!). However, as I shared previously, it’s becoming tedious.
First of all, people only ‘know’ what we choose to present to them as ourselves, or our persona. Of course I only know you from Facebookland!! You aren’t my neighbor, or a member of my family. I know the “Keith Lee Wandell” that you have chosen to present. YOU control that! I find it ironic that you allege that others misjudge you, on the basis of what detractors post on FB, then suggest that I ask SOMEONE ELSE in reference to Lilly’s treatment?!? I have judged the way Lilly was treated, while in your care, on WHAT I SAW with my own eyes. I don’t need to ask about amount of care she received when I have a dog of her age, who has lived in a training facility for 2 years, that doesn’t have a reliable ‘sit’, has malignancies that cause her to swallow every ten seconds (that were allegedly cleared by a vet) and a healing sore on her leg…why would I need to look further to form an opinion on the caliber of care she received??
When you belittle & disparage, post innuendo and publicly share that you think sweet Lilly would be better off to JUST DIE, so 12 others can be saved…please don’t expect my undying devotion & support!
While I understand that there are other issues that, clearly, are influencing your behavior that are out of your control; that doesn’t mean that I will allow you to just post whatever libelous drivel you please!
Keith Lee Wandell · 6 mutual friends
Once again jen, old info that has long since been proven false lol ams feel free to look through my pic albums and point out this swamp land that the several of you that have never been here can’t seem to shut up about lol high and dry here…
Jxxx Plr Fxxxxx I think you meant ‘training facility’ Besty ;) Don’t let this man get to you, Lilly is lucky to be with someone who will actually CARE for her now ♥
Jxxx Axxxxxxxxx Keith Lee Wandell, I didn’t know anything about anyone of Facebook 2 years ago, not that it’s any of your business. Besides which YOU are a poser, a loser and a fraud! You’re not worth wasting time on.
Now, on to the allegations that I wasn’t the ‘original’ adopter. I believe you put it, “…after meeting Lilly, you had to keep her for yourself”.. You ARE really fishing with THAT! Lilly was originally pulled – and applied for – by my daughter, who has mobility issues. However, since my daughter is young, and we consider our dogs as members of our family, I was also added to the application, as were my animals. As any ethical adoption coordinator would, yours screened the veterinarian, who I pay, and did the responsible thing and added me to the application. Lilly was NEVER a foster pull…I ALWAYS committed to her!!! As is covered in the blog, Lilly isn’t partial to PT and my daughter isn’t physically capable of lifting a 67 pound dog around after her multiple surgeries….Ironically, the stellar job your rescue did with the screening/adoption/transporting process is the thing you choose to pick apart! You may also want to check the microchip….see whose name that is in!
But my favorite drivel is certainly when YOU are questioning ME about ethics!!! What a HOOT!!! The difference between you and I, Keith, is that people can SEE her vet bills, KNOW that I am working several jobs and don’t sit around and plagiarize – I mean post- on FB all day! If they have a question…all they need to do is ask. The difference is that people KNOW that I didn’t commit to a dog with cancer, I committed to a stabilization dog. But now that she’s here, I am going to be responsible (not pretend that they are lipomas or that that she’s too old), and she’ll get the best care possible. They KNOW that I am not a fraud. They SEE me in the community and they HAVE MET Lilly and experienced her energy!! They KNOW she’s worth saving!!!
YOU had an AMAZING ANIMAL and you let her outside in a cage, crate, kennel, pen….whatever, ‘potato/potatho’…..She has the makings of the sort of dog that can TRULY CHANGE the world’s perceptions of the breed!!!
I honestly can’t imagine one of my fosters, that found a forever home, dealing with THIS, then getting on a post to help MY OWN DOG – PULLED BY MY RESCUE – and trashing MY OWN ADOPTER!!! Who does that????